New Logo

[Peter Taylor]

However the whole jewel is still based on the "proper" crest of UGLE...

Perhaps you could "show" us the proper crest?

[Stevecoath]

Quick question here but does anyone know if it would be possible at some stage to replace the "logo" at the base of the jewel with the correct symbol?
I mean as in have it ground off and a new one enameled.

[David H]

Quick question here but does anyone know if it would be possible at some stage to replace the "logo" at the base of the jewel with the correct symbol?
I mean as in have it ground off and a new one enameled.

That is something I have thought about. I know there was a former Royal Marine who adapted (with the consent of the charity) Help for Heroes pin badges by the addition of a very small S & C compass but I have no idea if he or anybody else could provide such a service.

[eckywan2]

David your always spot on
maybees all of englands knowledge of our craft should come from the north and I mean north
not just outside of London
( I was up in Elgin on Monday had a tradgedy on way home my favourite chippy is in Aberlour
I got there at 2130 closed !)
yours aye Have merry Christmas and a Guid New Year everyone
and fraternal greetings too

[London Mason]

However the whole jewel is still based on the "proper" crest of UGLE...

Perhaps you could "show" us the proper crest?

Would gladly if someone would kindly tell me how to upload a jpg file ! !

[Trouillogan]

Here it is, on the UGLE web site of all places!
http://www.ugle.org.uk/images/files/Information_Booklet_-_2016_-_Website_Edition_Secured.pdf

[London Mason]

Was thinking more this one...

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Grand ... nLmWXbM%3A

[Peter Taylor]

Was thinking more this one...

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Grand ... nLmWXbM%3A

So how does this crest relate to the new logo?

[MrBenn]

The crest is only a small section of the coat of arms - usually the bit above the helmet and below the slogan - the nearest equivalent part on the UGLE coat of arms is the winged angels above the ark

Not too sure how easy it would be to replicate that.....

[MrBenn]

The square and compass are represented on the Field of the coat of arms (on the jewel and on the coat of arms itself)

The Tercentenary Jewel incorporates the current representation of the square and compass as an emblem at the bottom

[eckywan2]

again
what tercentenary??

[David H]

again
what tercentenary??

Ecky old boy - ii's in plain sight in the 2011 Year Book of The Grand Lodge of Antient Free and Accepted Masons of Scotlan, page 46 and scroll down to the 16th entry - ye ken?

[eckywan2]

Aye David even GLoS grovels
ken whos he ?

[David H]

ken whos he ?

Ken Speckle Alec - how could you have missed him?

[London Mason]

Was thinking more this one...

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Grand ... nLmWXbM%3A

So how does this crest relate to the new logo?

Was stating the Tercentenary Jewell is based on the "old" coat of arms, but also has the new logo at the bottom.

[Peter Taylor]

Was thinking more this one...

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Grand ... nLmWXbM%3A

So how does this crest relate to the new logo?

Was stating the Tercentenary Jewell is based on the "old" coat of arms, but also has the new logo at the bottom.

So can you sow me the "old" coat of arms?

[David H]

So can you sow me the "old" coat of arms?

This may help you Peter - here is a link to the Jewel - http://letchworthshop.co.uk/masonic-cra ... -2017.html - which shows the UGLE coat of arms which has been referred to in this thread as the "old" coat of arms.

The controversial element is the coloured symbol at the bottom of the jewel which many feel should be the traditional square and compass rather than the symbol which is shown and can be seen more clearly as the central portion of this link - http://letchworthshop.co.uk/masonic-cuf ... l-pin.html - which many do not accept or recognise to be a square and compass.

[Richard George]

Even if you were to get it changed, where would you wear it given it would no longer be 'of an approved design'?

[David H]

Even if you were to get it changed, where would you wear it given it would no longer be 'of an approved design'?

Indeed - which is why I am currently spending so much time wondering why I remain a subscribing member when there is so much being "approved" with which I currently disagree. Maybe current trends will be reversed but I doubt it. I know many disaffected folk have long term associations etc with Freemasonry and enjoy active membership. For a variety of reasons I don't fall into either of those categories and wonder whether I would be better leaving so avoiding many of my current frustrations and spending my time studying and thinking about the Craft - unattached or as I prefer to think of it a virtual Freemason.

[Trouillogan]

Even if you were to get it changed, where would you wear it given it would no longer be 'of an approved design'?

Indeed - which is why I am currently spending so much time wondering why I remain a subscribing member when there is so much being "approved" with which I currently disagree. Maybe current trends will be reversed but I doubt it. I know many disaffected folk have long term associations etc with Freemasonry and enjoy active membership. For a variety of reasons I don't fall into either of those categories and wonder whether I would be better leaving so avoiding many of my current frustrations and spending my time studying and thinking about the Craft - unattached or as I prefer to think of it a virtual Freemason.

I too have considered this deeply David. I've decided to stay for the simple reason that remaining does provide better access to research material and the opportunities of speaking at Lodges and RA Chapters, of which I am doing more and more nowadays. In doing so, I'm finding similar murmerings over this and that pronouncement from on high and when I do, I try not to miss the chance of including such matters in the discussions. Before too long, the pen will come into play from several quarters and then I think GL may have to sit up and listen. I feel that removing ourselves from the Craft would deny us the ability of addressing these issues and of keeping up to date with the tide of events.